Pregame Saturday

Saturday, September 24, 2005, 3:35 pm

White Sox Lineup

Pods, LF … Iguchi, 2B … AJ, C … PK, 1B … Dye, RF … Everett, DH … Rowand, CF … Crede, 3B … Uribe, SS … Garcia, RHP.

From A Fan’s Post Last Night

Have to share a good Jose story. My 8 y/o son went to game with his uncle last night and watched Jose warming in pen. All through the warm up, my son yelled for him to do well, not get wild and to have a good game. After Jose finished his warm up he pointed to my boy and threw him the ball he was warming up with. Made my son’t whole night and he’s still smiling about it today. Scott, if you can, please let Jose know how much that meant. That’s what makes baseball so great for these little guys. GO SOX!

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Awesome story, I hope this shows that Jose loves this city and wants to stay here. I love it!

Lets go and get this one Sox!

It’s really unfortunate that Ozzie commented to the media about fans booing, because it turned a misunderstanding into a national story, and now White Sox fans are being widely portrayed in the national media, including NPR this morning, as boo birds. The fact is we boo a lot less than other fans, and certainly much less than Cub fans. The booing has been relatively light lately considering what’s been happening. This all stems from one game, which I attended, on Sept. 7, when Bobbie Jenks was mowing down batter after batter, and Ozzie came in to pull him for Marte, and the crowd reacted badly. I was in that crowd. We were totally into the game. We were totally into Jenks’ success. We had seen Marte blow too many games in the past. There was no way we could have restrained ourselves from expressing disapproval. And if you’re a stadium full of people, how many articluate sounds can you possibly make? There are really only a couple options. Nonetheless, we were not booing Ozzie. We were not booing Marte. And most of us were not even booing! Most fans were yelling “NOOOOOO!” Or “No! No! No!” Nonetheless it was reported as booing, and Ozzie took it as booing, and he took it personally. But the whole thing is false. I hate what I’ve learned about the media this year. From the Cubune to National Public Radio, we live in a web of lies.

Who cares about what NPR, ESPN, and the rest of those muckrakers say! Just keep winning until November and everbody will be VERY happy!….GO SOX !!!

AMEN. I’m so sick and tired of the $&*&#( media pretending that they speak for me. They misquote, take things out of context, and stir up controversy where there is none. I’ve long since learned, especially in Chicago, to take what they say with a very large grain of salt…on the occasions when I bother to pay them any attention. Let’s take another one tonight. GO SOX!!

HEY SCOTT HAPPY BIRTHDAY SCOTT, SORRY I DIDN’T KNOW YESTERDAY. WELL MY GIFT TO U IS OUR VICTORY TONIGHT, IT IS MY SPECIAL GIFT TO U.. GO SOX…..GARCIA LOOKS STRONG AFTER 2 INNINGS AND THAT IS GOOD, LETS SEE A BIG WIN TONIGHT, COME ON GUYS WE R HERE 4 U…GO SOX..

GREAT GREAT GREAT,, WHAT A GAME,, GREAT HOMER BY DYE. OH MY GOD I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE THE REST OF THE GAME…. PERFECT ..GO SOX GO SOX GO SOX….YOU CAN PUT ON THE BOAAAAAAAARD YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS…..

CREDE HOMERS GREAT , PERFECT, YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS…..GO SOX

Happy Birthday Scott! The guys came through for you!

Keep it up tonight…these are our White Sox baby…glad to seem them back in full swing!

Great support for Garcia too…great timing.

The push for October continues!

SEE SCOTT, MY GUYS ARE WINNING THE GAME SO THAT I GIVE IT TO U AS A PRESENT. GRAT OUTING BY GARCIA SO FAR, AND GREAT SUPPORT BY OUR GUYS AND ESPECIALLY IGUCHI WHO IS 4 FOR 4 SO FAR. GREAT JOB GUYS, LETS GET BACK ON TRACK, GO SOX…..

Misunderstanding?

No, the fans boo. It all comes when marte comes in. It even comes if ozzie just starts walking to the mound and marte’s warming up in the pen(that happened against cleveland tuesday night).

I know Marte’s cost us all of *FOUR* games this year(the last of which coming monday night, when he was taken out and bobby jenks gave up the run he was responisble for. No doubt taken out of the game because if he gives up that run himself, there’s no telling how much people would hate him), but he’s got some big league talent, along with a undeniably cool name. And I would absolutely hate to see him go somewhere else and become a huge name player like rivera or gagne.

I haven’t seen or heard any national media coverage on the fans booing, but i was at the game tuesday night and it was heartbreaking to hear the crowd when ozzie went to marte.

And you know that kind of thing at home HAS to bother a player. And you can just see it coming… First pitch — ball. The boos just get louder. Sure enough, he walks him on 5 pitches, the strike got the boos to stop briefly, and garnered some scattered claps. Ozzie came out and got him and the crowd rose to appluad.

That is sad. It almost makes me want to see Marte go in the off season(and i think he will), just so he can be in a place where he’ll have a chance to have some success. I do hope he stays and has a stellar year in 2006, though.

But hearing that kind of continued reaction from the crowd was just so disappointing. You could hear a bunch of people yelling “you ****, marte” and you just think… Why??? Not even the great question of ‘why does he ****?’ but why would you even boo or yell? That’s got to be humiliating for someone to have that come from a home crowd. And it’s just going to cripple his confidence which will in turn just get that walk.

And just so we’re clear, here are the numbers.

3-4 and 4 saves with a 3.71 era, 64 games, 43.2 ip, 41 hits, 5 hrs, 32 walks and 50 ks.

that’s what we’re booing. if espn or npr says that’s a disgrace to see from the fans at this point in the year, i think they’re right.

great to see the team playing well and coming through that past couple days. particularly jd after thursday night. let’s hope he and the rest of the team keep going.

GO SOX!!!

MVP00, While I disagree with fans yelling “you ***!!”, in this game it is all about “what have you done for me lately” and Marte has done nothing but make mistakes in big situations. I think that is why there is a lot of booing going on right now. The fans do not understand why Ozzie keeps trusting him in critical situations when everybody knows he does not have his head or control straight. I hope that he can turn it around for the playoffs, but Ozzie SHOULD NOT keep going to him in pressure situations until he shows that he can handle it. Cotts and Politte should be relied upon more often, as they have been steady all year long. Just my 2 cents.

Agreed..I’ve never understood why Cotts hasn’t been used more. He was a starter. To bring him in for a batter or 2, when he’s pitching well, makes no sense..give him a shot to be a mid-reliever worth an inning or two. Marte has his moments, but down the stretch, we can’t afford any mistakes. Great win tonight…so happy to see the bats waking up. Great win, guys! Let’s keep going!!

The poll on the Sox website pretty much reflects the numbers of the ‘boo-birds at the Cell…20% say the Sox won’t make it! BS! That is the same 20% who boo the best Sox manager since Al Lopez! And, the same 20% who do NOT understand the game at all…baseball is 90% mental! So, if you’ve got a kid with unbelievable stuff like Marte has, you DON”T crush his mental approach as he comes to the mound! This team is STILL the best in the A.L. and every player needs the REAL Sox fans behind them…and we don’t need YOU, MR. 20%! Tell Ozzie the real Sox fans are behind him completely, and DO NOT ‘boo’.

c.shedlak, we ARE the REAL Sox fans. We WANT to see a successful team. If your kid screws up, do you let him know or do you just say good job anyway?…..These guys are all professionals and they have heard it ALL. They are not 12 year old littel leaguers. If the boos actualy hurt their performance, then they don’t belong in the big leagues……As for the best manager since Al Lopez, THAT guy damaged the our last chance of winning a world series in’59 by inexplicably refusing to start Billy Pierce!!…..No offense, but if players and or teams are not performing they SHOULD be booed.

‘These guys are all professionals’ is right… And as such, if they’re not getting the job done, they don’t need you to let them know. Believe me, they know. You have the right to, of course, but it’s hardly productive.

And of course crowds have an impact on players. It’s just another form of pressure. And booing home team players is hardly conducive to good results. And booing a player like marte is…just bad.

reminds me of when those ingrate yankee fans were booing rivera to start the year, after all he’s done for that team.

What have you done for me lately, indeed. Maybe we should all welcome mark tomorrow with a chorus of boos and “you ****” chants, too, huh?

It’s just terrible to have to see and hear people doing that.

Great win tonight, though… nice to give the bullpen and our stomachs a day off.

GO SOX!!!

hey MVP00 AND C.SHEDLAK, I agree with u 100%, what u said is completly right and makes sense. why should we boo a player when they know they r not doing well,,, well good win tonight,, in fact very good win,,, GO SOX

a couple of thoughts on the good posts i just read. the last game i was at was at new comisky in 1998. we lost, but nobody boo’d. that was then and we weren’t in a playoff race. personally, i think we made a mistake in getting rid of larussa, but that too was a long time ago. i think ozzie has done an admirable job for at least two reasons.1) he has the TEAM buying into his smart ball system and 2)he has been able to deflect all media from day one onto his unusual style. i can understand getting up tight when things start to slide. we only put pressure on oursselves when we assumed we had a lock on the division. now we are battling, and i like what i see. while i don’t agree with all ozzie’s moves, for the most part he has been consistant, and i don’t want him to change now, that would be detrimental to the team. the booing that i’ve heard on mlb.tv and wgn isn’t good for morale. that’s just one guys opinion from afar. go sox, i still want to wear my W.S. tee shirt at spring training next year. j.k. in tucson…out

Great game and great firework show. Might just be greatest game i’ve ever been too at my young age. Believe it or not but the Sox can still reach 100 wins read about it and drop a post in my blog site
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No, if Buehrle gets rocked again, we should bake him a cake and give him a big kiss!!

I hope he pitches like the Buehrle of the first half of the year and I will be rooting for him, but if the Sox return to playing like driftwood I’ll let fans like you say “Golly Gee, Mark! I’m sure you will be super duper next time!”

Enough of this meaningless banter. It accomplishes nothing. It all comes down to our guys executing. If they can, everyone will be proud and Chicago will go nuts. It will be bigger than the Bears in Super Bowl XX!!….GO SOX!

I’d like for all Sox “fans” to consider 2 reasons why we shouldn’t boo our team (or anyone, for that matter):

1) Booing is a form of punishment, and can create more problems than it solves.

Psychological studies have demonstrated the impact of punishment on athletes. While it can be effective in removing undesirable behaviors, it can bring about a fear of failure or a desire to avoid defeat rather than strive for success. It also creates an unpleasant and aversive learning environment.

The thought that athletes at a professional level should know how to deal with booing ignores the fact that we’re human and that we respond to stimuli in fairly consistent fashion. While athletes can utilize sports psychologists to assist in dealing with confidence issues, as fans, we’re not making the task any easier by proliferating the negativity.

2) Booing is inconsiderate and disrespectful.

What ever happened to the Golden Rule? That sage advice has been around for a while because there’s truth to it.

If you attended Saturday night’s game, did you stick around to witness the post-game lottery snafu? In summary, the Illinois Lottery held a promotion which gave 3 people the opportunity to win $1M. They even made arrangements for Robin Leach (Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous) to emcee the event. Each contestant was given a 6-foot scratch-off lottery ticket that would reveal the lucky winner. So they began scratching away, only to find that the scratch-away coating wouldn’t come off as easily as expected. (It was actually pretty humorous.) But many in the crowd responded to the situation by booing. Sure, the snafu delayed the start of the fireworks by a few minutes. But tell me: How does booing help that situation? Do you think the event coordinators didn’t realize they made a mistake?

The truth of the matter is that booing says more about the person doling it out than the subject of the punishment.

As fans, we are outsiders looking in, and cheering/jeering is one of our only means for potentially impacting the game. Given that booing could actually harm our players’ psyche, I don’t understand why anyone would do it.

If a player isn’t performing to expectations, I’ll let Ozzie deal with it. That’s HIS job. MY job is to be a fan. I want this team to take it all the way, and I’ll do what I can to help, not hurt, that cause.

Boy, you should write your doctoral thesis on the effects of booing on major league baseball players.

So what you are basically saying is that all “good” fans should just sit politely and twiddle their thumbs when ANYTHING negative happens?

Anyhow, I hope the rain holds off and we get the game in today. I feel a big W coming on.

Interesting thoughts about not booing. I think a lot of Sox fans always expect disappointment, and it’s a form of therapy for our battered souls. It’s not easy going pretty much 50 years without making a World Series appearance and then watching a team like the Marlins or Diamondbacks win a couple as an expansion team.

I was at the game last night and saw the lottery snafu- whoever was the printer for that project will be getting fired! Hilarious!

One other interesting point about last nights game…they were playing the “Benny the Bull” song that was such a part of the Bulls championships of the 90′s. It bought back some great memories of kicking some tail and leaving our opponents in the dust…I don’t recall that being played at the Cell before.

What number of wins gets us into the playoffs do we think? 95? 96?

Steevyniu: Great idea. :) Actually, I’m just trying to give fans food for thought, and let them make their own decisions.

Matt: They played that on Friday night, too, with the same crowd reaction. Hoping to hear it again today.

Go Sox!!

97 wins gaurantees us at least a playoff against ny or boston for the wild card, since one of them has to lose at least 2 games since they have a series against each other.

but let’s just keep the starting pitching going like it has been, because we all know it can, and keep the pressure on with the offense.

let’s give em a finish… GO SOX!!!

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