Game 2

Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 6:30 pm

Sox Lineup

Same as last night … Pods, LF … Iguchi, 2B … Dye, RF … PK, 1B … Everett, DH … Rowand, CF … AJ, C … Crede, 3B … Uribe, SS … Buehrle, LHP.

Travel Plans

The White Sox will fly to Anaheim after tonight’s game, expecting to arrive at 2 am PT (4 am CT).  The team will workout Thursday at Angels Stadium at 3 pm.

Coop

Verbose pitching coach Don Cooper visited the Interview Room prior to the game to talk about the team’s pitching.  All televisions in the clubhouse were turned to the in-house feed and players enjoyed the show.

"Coop, the new Yankees pitching coach," Konerko joked.  "They asked him three questions and he talked for half an hour."

47 Comments

Scott,

I just can’t help but get so excited with this atmosphere. You can just feel it- we’re behind our guys- and tonights going to be a big night.

I’ve said it a bunch of times, but thanks so much again for the time you put into this. This is just fantastic for a Sox fan.

Also, let Aaron know I love reading his “journal” that he’s been writing in as of late- its so neat to read what he’s really thinking.

As a blog idea (as if you really need one, its already fantastic)- and you’ve already done this a lot, but I love when you give a first hand look at whats going on inside the Clubhouse with the players. Keep givin us those stories!

Lets go go go WHITE SOX!

GO SOX… LETS GO GUYS,,, IT IS NOT EASY BUT WE CAN DO IT… I HOPE NOT TO SEE MORE COME BACKERS TO THE ANGELES PITCHERS, AND LETS SEE MORE REAL HITS… GO SOX….

GO SOX… LETS GO GUYS,,, IT IS NOT EASY BUT WE CAN DO IT… I HOPE NOT TO SEE MORE COME BACKERS TO THE ANGELES PITCHERS, AND LETS SEE MORE REAL HITS… GO SOX….

1. That ball hit the ground.

2. Joe Crede Joe Crede Joe Crede JOE CREDE!!!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.. NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT,, YAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH… WHAT A GREAT JOB BY MARK AND HIS TEAM-MATES…. YAAAAAAAAAAAH,, WE WIN IT,, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOX… WHAT A GREAT WIN,,,, ON OUR NERVES ALL GAME AND THEN THE HAPPY ENDING ,, YESSSSSSSSSSSSS,,, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOX….

Hey, that’s my Crede call, jmcmahon!

I agree, the Fox announcers kept saying the ball was cleanly caught, but in the extreme slomo you can see it bounce up into the webbing of his glove, and he should have tagged AJ. It was fair.

Joe Crede Joe Crede Joe Crede JOE CREDE!!!

Go Sox!!!

AJ for MAYOR….smartest man in Chicago to set up the WHITE SOX WINNER!! Buehrle for vice mayor with that pitching job!

WE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIN, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOX..

All I know, at this point, a win is a win……………

Holy **** what a crazy game. Tell you what – that call is going to be debated for months to come, but it would have been a moot point if:

1. Mark hadn’t pitched such a great game

2. Our defense hadn’t been solid

3. AJ hadn’t been heads-up on that play

4. Joe hadn’t come through in the clutch.

So yes, controversial call, but the Sox deserve all the credit in the world for playing smart, opportunistic baseball.

“BLACK SOX”…It appears the Black Sox are back…cheating their way to a win. THIS TEAM IS NOT OF “CHAMPIONSHIP QUALITY”.

It’s not cheating, *****. The umpire made a ****** call, and the Sox ran with it (pun intended). That’s baseball.

“CURSE…OF THE BALL”….THE BLACK SOX…WILL FALTER….”

Not only was it an umpire “conspiracy”…but a home field conspiracy, BLACK SOX….are BACK”

K, buddy. Less caps lock, more shutting your mouth. Thanks.

cheating huh? so you’re telling me if that call was for the anaheim angles of los angeles california of planet eart of the milkyway galaxy of orange county you would call the angels “cheaters?”
go choke on a quarter.

I usually don’t do this but I felt compelled to enter what I thought I saw concerning the third strike to A.J. tonight. If you review a replay of a very close-up view of the catchers mitt, the ball, just before it hits the mitt changes direction and takes a jump up. It then hits the center of the mitt and falls back into the webbing. It happens very quickly but it does happen. If it didn’t hit the ground then what did it hit to make it change directions? If I can see it and others commenting in noticed it why can’t the so called experts on FOX notice it. At first I too thought the ump blew it. But now I am very convinced it was a correct call. Either way you can put it on the board! Thanks for letting me be a part of this. It’s a great blog.
GO SOX!

Angels or Black Sox…I’m a Cardinals Fan, just posting what was seen. Copies of all your blogs are being forwarded to the New York times, so keeping talking…very interesting comments.

personally, i didnt think that ball hit the ground. im not sure it was a clean catch either, but i havent seen a replay that will make me think otherwise. is this play was against the Sox, id be pissed.

i also know that ive seen AJ (among others) catch balls cleanly, but still tag batters on close plays. umps are human, and they will make mistakes from time to time. a simple tag from josh paul would have made this a moot point.

again tincoz, choke on a quarter. methinks you’re a disgruntled cubs’ fan. you think that Ump’s name was steve bartman? huh? do you? huh? HUH?!?

I agree with aderdajr. At the very last second you can see the ball bounce up. How could it bounce up if it didn’t hit the ground? The Fox announcers are the ones who made the bad call. The Umps had it right.

Uh…mister, mister “Black Sox” fan…the change in direction was the spin on the ball…duh..and…GO CARDS. Oh, and by the way, AJ did a great job selling the play…bad luck the rest of the series.

lol what does the NYtimes care about the white sox? i love how you keep saying black sox. the umps blew a call, thats the bottom line. nobody’s cheating here.

have fun losing to Roy Oswalt. oh, and keep posting here please. you’re a riot!

For those that think the ball hit the ground: It didn’t. The pure physics of a ball with that much spin on it dictates that it will likely move in the glove. That’s all you’re seeing.

Yes, the call was made as it was, but I will say it was an absolute travesty for such a great game. No umpire should dictate the game like that, especially *limping* into the call like the home-plate ump did. Make a call or don’t. Period.

It’s clear to me that these umps never really played the game. If you’re a player, you know that a bang-bang play is one that gets a call in any sort of questionable situation. If you can’t see it, then don’t make the special call. Especially considering a catcher (or any other position player) knows when they short hop a ball. It’s easy.

Those umpires should be ashamed.

tinocoz,…all I can say is KARMA baby….you’ll get yours. The Cards are a great team…but worry about getting there before you start dissing the Sox! Funny that most of the LEGITIMATE media agree with the umps! Are you AFRAID to face the Sox and wish to dismiss them??? Other than that…what a great birthday. Thank you, White Sox!! -Dawn

They’re now reporting on the news that the ball shot up from the ground before being caught.

It sounds to me that someone wants the Sox to lose so that if his cardinals make it to the series they dont get swept again like last years sox did to them.

Great post, Sahmed. The issue here is not any sort of “cheating” on the part of the Sox – I can’t believe the idea was even brought up – but the terrible, terrible call by the umpire. The Sox did what any smart baseball team does in that situation – they took advantage of a mistake. That’s why they’re in the playoffs.

I’ll take the win, but as Sahmed mentioned, it’s a terrible way for such a great game to end.

Again…these things happen. Bottom line is…we deserve to be here, and if we happen to win because of a suspect all..so what…it could happen against us as well. Doesn’t make it right, but it makes it reality. Anyone who claims we “cheated”..or wants to invoke the Black Sox title..needs to read their history. Unless you want to accuse the umpires of taking cash to throw the game…you can just stop your whining now! Also, if they were going to throw the game, would they wait til the 9th? who says that opportunity for a drop 3rd strike presents itself…just preposterous!!

I am a huge Halo fan, but calling the Sox “cheating” is absurd! The calls even out, and in a 7 game series, the team who should win almost always does…this is why I don’t like the 5 game series, although I understand that these playoffs really need to end by the end of October…I’ll be at all 3 this weekend at the Big A – Halos in 6! Malibu Pauly

Thanks, jlenehan. I really think this is an obvious baseball issue, not a Sox issue. It would be much more of a Sox issue if it was a dirty play (say like A-Rod last year hitting the ball out of the first baseman’s glove).

The reason I care about this is because I’m not a Sox nor Angels fan. I root for my teams, but I don’t root against other because I just want to see good baseball. It’s a shame we didn’t get to see either team truly earn the victory today (don’t misunderstand me here—I mean to say that I wanted to see either team win it legitimately).

I generally hate blaming the umps/refs because I do think a team should do its best to take the game out of the umpire’s hands. But this is a special exception because both teams had fantastic performances… I don’t blame the Angels for leaving it in the hands of the umpires because as far as I could tell they were playing their butts off.

This is now the first time I support replay or some sort of protest rule in MLB.

Good post by sahmed, but I could never support a replay rule ever – and I’m a Halo fan who is pretty steamed on the call! I know how you Sox fans feel – this was how we felt as we got closer in 2002…Sox being here is great for baseball, and I’m enjoying watching your team…but look out when Vladdy starts hitting and Figgins starts running this weekend! MP

Great post by Sahmed..And it is funny to see that Cards fan trying to complain and stuff, but do u know why she/he was doing it, just because he/she was scared of facing the WHITE SOX in the world series( If they get there).. they are scared of losing another world series, like they always do, and in front of the WHITE SOX, which is most likly to happen… So, i saw the replay on TV for like 20 times. and i am 1000000% sure that it hit the ground, because it was obviouse that it changed its direction after hitting the ground… it was smart of A.J. to run, and (sorry to say this) it was stupid of the catcher not to tag the hitter… but it was a great mistake of the catcher, and i am glad he did that mistake… What a night…GO SOX. GO SOX.. GO WHITE SOX…

The White Sox are a great team, deserve to be here, and NO they did not cheat.. That being said let us consider that :
1. The umpire clearly made a fist.

2. He did NOT shout “no catch” like he SHOULD have

3. Only the home plate umpire makes that call

4. If there was any doubt in PAul’s mind why couldn’t he simply toss the ball over to first to be sure.

The call was horrible because it seemed to be changed after the umpire noticed Perzynski running.. Bad calls are part of the game and i’m not calling you guys cheaters but i would like ONE white sox fan, just for my own personal satisfaction to say ” yes that call was botched”.

i think the point is being missed here. the ball in the dirt( not in the dirt) isn’t the reason we won. if not for a deek by AJ, he’s not on first. if not for a stolen base, the angels are into the 10th. if not for crede’s double, we play on. why was that slo-mo shot of the ball bouncing only shown once? only to foment controversy, and it certainly has. that play didn’t define this game. the grit and determination of our team did. even aaron’s overzealousness showed how we play the game.and mark’s pitching definately showed how we play the game. we didn’t cheat, and as someone earlier noted, the calls have a way of evening out over seven games.this is going to be a closely contested series. we all knew that going in. let’s get off the controversy and play ball. i’ve got a son and a son in law in the middle east and they are sox fans mainly because of me(dad), so how about instead of white sox nation we go with white sox world? it’s more original and much more inclusive. go sox. j.k. in ky for two more days.

I think FOX tried to create more controversy (read: ratings) by ignoring the best replay of the night. They only showed it briefly, and the announcers were still talking about what they saw in the previous replay. I’m talking about the zoomed in, super slo-mo shot mentioned here before.

The camera only captures so many frames per second, and the moment of impact with the ground is between frames. One frame shows the ball near the ground, the next frame shows it HIGHER, up in the glove. The spin of the ball can not do this in less than 1/30th of a second. Only impact can.

The only thing truly debatable is whether the umpire initially thought it was trapped, or if AJ convinced him by taking off for 1st. The extended arm sweep, followed by the raised fist is pretty standard for a swinging strike. Maybe the ump was napping a bit, and didn’t yell “no catch.” Bottom line is, he got the call RIGHT. The ball was trapped.

If you are an Angels fan looking for a goat, jump on your catcher for not making the tag while AJ is still standing in the box. When you go down for a dying pitch like that, glove open to the ground, you ALWAYS tag the runner. He blew it. Sox win!

Is it just me or is everyone missing something?? On a drop 3rd strike call, when the batter leaves his box for the dugout, he gives up his right to run to first base. Right??

The sad thing is that this series is going to hang on this call forever. It is a defining moment for the umpire too! The worst call in baseball wil go to him. He will be infamous for it! I really hate when umpires make themselves part of the game! AJ was clearly out. Most Sox fans agree. Like Scocia said, all indications that the umpire gave were that AJ was out.

It $uck$ to lose like this. We got our run off a homerun, honorably. The sox got their runs from a sick pitcher error and a faulty umpire.

Sure, in hindsight, Paul should have tagged him. The Angels should have scored more runs, and hats off to Bhuerle who got the job done.

I really feel sorry for the Sox and their fans. If this series goes 7 games and the Sox win, it will be tainted. They have waited so long for this, and now they can’t have it honorably. What’s even worse, these teams have a lot of comradery and are friends from the executive level to the field level. Now, if the Angels didn’t before, they have a fire lit-up their *** which adds fuel to a 3 game Angel sweep in Anaheim.

Is it just me or is everyone missing something?? On a drop 3rd strike call, when the batter leaves his box for the dugout, he gives up his right to run to first base. Right??

The sad thing is that this series is going to hang on this call forever. It is a defining moment for the umpire too! The worst call in baseball wil go to him. He will be infamous for it! I really hate when umpires make themselves part of the game! AJ was clearly out. Most Sox fans agree. Like Scocia said, all indications that the umpire gave were that AJ was out.

It $uck$ to lose like this. We got our run off a homerun, honorably. The sox got their runs from a sick pitcher error and a faulty umpire.

Sure, in hindsight, Paul should have tagged him. The Angels should have scored more runs, and hats off to Bhuerle who got the job done.

I really feel sorry for the Sox and their fans. If this series goes 7 games and the Sox win, it will be tainted. They have waited so long for this, and now they can’t have it honorably. What’s even worse, these teams have a lot of comradery and are friends from the executive level to the field level. Now, if the Angels didn’t before, they have a fire lit-up their *** which adds fuel to a 3 game Angel sweep in Anaheim.

What is really interesting after reading all of the previous comments is that no one gets it. The Umpire could not possibly see if the ball was trapped, bounced etc. However he could not possibly see if it was caught as well. I’m guessing that he made his call based on intuition. I’m not sure. No one has explained it. I find it more interesting, and a great play on his part, that AJ waited until Josh Paul rolled the ball onto the infield grass to break for first. Not only running to first was heads up, but if he had done so immediately after swinging, as happens mostly on this type of play, Josh Paul would not have to remember to tag or throw to first. AJ made the play of the game, whether the Umpire got it correct or not. Huge! This is the type of smart ball that Ozzie has been talking about all year. AJ wins the gamesmenship award for game 2. Blown call or not, (I don’t think it was blown, the ball clearly changes directions and rises into the glove) I believe that the Whitesox took this game from the Angels by a heads up play from their Catcher, a mistake by the opposing manager to allow the third string catcher into a 1 run ball game, a clutch stolen base and double by Pablo Ozuna and Joe Crede and outstanding pitching by Mark Buerhle. I cannot wait for the next game. Go Sox!!!

You are missing something. A player doesn’t give up his right to go to 1st until he gets to his teams dugout steps. Why is the Series going to hang on this call? Did I miss something, or couldn’t Escobar have struck out Crede to end the inning still? Why do you feel sorry for us? How will it be tainted? If the Sox are a better team, they will win. If the Angels are, they will. That’s why they play 7 games possibly to determine who is better. I can see if this was a 1 game series, but it’s not. It’s 1-1, and we’ll honorably win the series.

One thing that should happen after all this is over is that the MLB should institute a uniform structure to support the umpires. They should be trained to make calls in a uniform manner. The NFL has a uniform system and you rarely see stuff like this- their arm signals do not vary and people know what the heck is going on.
Some people are calling for instant replay but that is not the answer- baseball is an awesome game because of the people who are part of it. They are human beings who make mistakes on occasion.

Scioscia was right that we (Angels) didn’t lose the game because of one play, but it sure ***** to lose that way. I’d much rather be outplayed than lose on a questionable call/non-call.

One other unfortunate thing is that Buerhle pitched an outstanding game and that is now being over-shadowed by the disection of this call/non-call.

The series starts over in Anaheim. I’m sure it will be hard-fought. The team that plays the best will win. Good luck.

Go Angels!

Hey bdish89, yeah, someone else already cleared that rule up for me today. But thanks anyway.

I tend to agree with you, that teams work through these mishaps. But there is a great deal of people out there who are going to harp on this forever. Especially the way the media has blown it out of proportion.

You are right, Escobar could have struck Crede out, but he shouldn’t of had to. They got the third out with AJ. I will admit that I believe the ball touched the ground, but only after viewing the replay. The umpire needs to rule an out in that situation. It was too loud for them to hear it hit the ground and the umpire could not see it from his angle, so he took AJ’s word for it when he ran down to first. He was rung up for god sakes. All the umpire’s mannerisms showed that AJ was out. AJ owned that umpire….good heads up for him.

The Sox may honorably win the remaining 3 games they need to win the series, but I am willing to bet that the win they got in Game 2 will be forever looked upon as a gift by half the fans out there.

The only way this controversy will die is if the SOX win in 5 games or don’t win at all.

Truthfully, I hope both teams come to play on Friday and us fans get a good tug-a-war!

How can Major League Baseball be silent when an umpire is so obviously incompetent? These are the best of the umpires? to err is human, but to pretend that it never happened is distrubing. Where is the Commissioner on this? Denial is the by-word in MLB.

winning teams capitalize on mistakes while keeping thier F’ups to a minimum. Usually the other teams messes up(see Indians), in this case it was blue. The Sox took advantage of it. It shouldnt really matter because Rowand was safe at the plate earlier. Bad call happen, deal with it.

There is no crying in baseball!
Paul should have tagged him – he was lazy and sloppy on that play. AJ was heads up and hustling, BOTTOM LINE.

There are bad calls ALL THE TIME (2 Against the Sox in this very game). Everyone needs to shut up. This is a non-issue. They let Ozuna walk into 2nd and Escobar left a pitch over the plate on an 0-2 count. The thought this would taint anything the Sox have or will do is a joke.

You know what is a joke, coming off like you are taking the high road by saying, “There is no crying in baseball!”

You better believe that if this happened to the Sox, and they lost both homegames, they would be complaining like no other. I’m going to the game tonight and everyone, Angel fans, and baseball fans will be booing the 3rd base umpire because he is imcompetant and ignorant for not admitting when he is wrong.

imcompentant?????
Point proven. :)

The ball hit the ground – but it doesn’t matter if it did or not. The umpires see it once, at full speed and they made the call. If the situation was reversed, I would be angry at the catcher for not tagging the batter and then the pitcher for loosing the game to a lousy hitter.

It is funny how people who don’t know baseball have all the opinions in the world. All you can ask for from the ump is to be in the correct position to make a call, know the rules of the game and impartially use his best judgment. It is impossible to make the correct call all the time with out a replay.

Paul Konerko was called out earlier in the game on an obvioius check swing. It was not the home plate umpires call and it was dead wrong. Why is no one talking about that?

The White Sox get more than their fair share of bad calls and almost never argue.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with Josh and Kelvim.

The Angels are a very good team playing in a very good series. It is such a shame anyone is even talking about this.

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